Yep no doubt. I hope it's a decent debate and not a 'INFIDEL! DIE!' etc.

GL with your finals btw .

Heh, well put Ockham.

Someone used your namesake today as an arguement for Intelligent Design. Was highly ammusing.

All three of the responses you received were sarcastic because all of us know that religion is not necessary to teach morality as you suggested.

And it's not just a sex organ, I can throw it over my shoulder and no one would dare try and sneak up behind me.

Actually, let's tell the truth. You made this dogmatic assertion as a matter of pure Darwinian faith. Darwin never answered the question,  "how exactly did we get here?"  in his book or otherwise. Neither have his advocates and true blue followers through today. Darwin,et al,  was utterly unable to explain the complex machinery of the cell. Detailed genetic studies have dealt a death blow to Darwinian lie of macro-Evolution---that theorizes molecules to man natural transformation or one species changes into a completely different one in whihc new, higher genetic information is gained which was not possessed by one's ancestors....that wants us to believe we humans descended from apes.

Problem is that no mechanism for this to occur has been found...there is no hard scientific evidence that backs up your assertion...for Darwinism stems from one imaginative theory after another of which none have been proved.

All evidence collected on natural mutations indicates species degeneration with no record of any improving themselves let alone completely changing species.  

Where is the proof of this assertion?

Yes, the earth is at the center of the universe only not the "geographical" center.  First point---The earth is carefully designed as the only center of life.

Second, the very placement of the earth in the universe gives us the best possible view of it as if the Great Designer wanted to help us discover His Handiwork. Our Creator God designed our surroundings for us to discover information about them especially concerning supporting human life. Earth is perfectly positioned to allow us to map the structure of our galaxy even though we are inside it.

Would earth support life at all if it were just a bit smaller or larger? No-- it wouldn't. That's one of the reason why the earth didn't just happen by blind random chance but was made by Almighty God.   

Stubby - Well i didn't say it was the only means to teach morality, but i can see how people jumped to that conclusion.

Lula - cheers for your insights. I'm just about to finish work and can't respond just yet. But i'll set aside some time to let you nkow what i think about your saying shortly.

Oh c'mon?  using the "Galileo affair" spin to attempt to bash the Catholic Chruch.

Well, it's a good thing that the Catholic Church didn't rush to embrace Galileo's views becasue it turned out that his ideas aren't entirely correct either. Science has once again come through for us. Galileo believed that the sun was not just the fixed center of the solar system but the fixed center of the universe. We now know that the sun is not the center of the universe, and that it does move--it simply orbits the galaxy rather than the earth.

So recent science has shown Galileo was partly right is asserting the mobility of the earth and wrong in asserting the immobility of the sun. His opponents were right in asserting the mobility of the sun and wrong in asserting the immobility of the earth. Had the Catholic Chruch rushed to endorse Galileo's views and there were many in the Chruch in those days who were quite favorable to them---the Church would have embraced what modern science has disproved.

Last point, the CC has little to apologize for in its relations with science. Indeed, it can be argued that it was the metaphysical framework of medieval Catholicism that brought the first universities, and that made modern science possible in the first place. Stanley Jaki said, "science was still-born in every major culture Greek, Hindu, Chinese, --except the Christian west. As far as the teaching authority of the Chruch is concerned, it's striking how modern physics has played catch-up with Cathollic dogma. In 1215, the Fourth Lateran Council taught that the universe had a beginning in time, a scandal then, but which is now common modern cosmology.  

Here's what I absolutely love about this one. God creates the world (or entire universe, depending on one's interpretation) in 7 days....... but at that point a "day" didn't exist yet as a measurement of time because the earth didn't exist yet. So God, the creator of the entire universe, decided to build our planet based on an as yet nonexistent unit of measurement. Now considering the vast size of the universe I find it highly unlikely and arrogant to think that we would be the only sentient species he would create. That's an awful waste of all that real estate and mighty boring and uncreative (two attributes I do not think the creator would have) So, if he made other species in magical easy-bake oven format he would then have to craft his creation of their planets to whatever length of time their days would become as well (in order to provide the same biblical references for them) Plus that would mean that eventually, we will probably see one of these easy bake creations through our telescopes "astronomers view planet and ecosystem creation in less than a week!!!" I can see the headlines now.

Crafting all these planets on different units of  time is terribly inefficient, and if there's anything we can infer about God from nature it's that he most likely abhors innefficiency.

So therefore I would like to put forth the position that if God does indeed use units of time to measure his creations, he would probably use a universal scale that applies evenly across the board. Let's call these units "Fleems"

Therefore, the bible should read that God created the earth in so many fleems, and would read more like "In the first 1.73 fleems, God created such and such". If he decided to be a real show-off, perhaps he would shoot to have total creation time of our world to be something like Pi or other funky number of fleems.