Whose more insane, me or the rest of society? Read the following blog of bollocks and decide for yourself.

In the first part of this article i discussed how people consider religion as a means of teaching us how to act responsibly.

I received some interesting comments, mostly about how how people felt they obtained their morality from sources other than religion. Perhaps the most interesting comment, and entirely unrelated was a comment from senior stubbyfinger, who informed us he had a large sexual organ. Congratulations stubby...

Right so Religion, morality, back on track. Lets look at the title of this article, "What if religion had admitted it was wrong?". Firstly i'd imagine we'll have some people asking how religion is wrong exactly. Which you know, if you've been sleeping under a rock since Darwin was around, is a highly appropriate question.

1)God made the world in 7 days Genisis etc.

The earth roughly 6,000 years old? I believe that's the figure provided by most creationists i speak with. Well we now know as a FACT (fact as in 1 + 1 = 2. You get me. FACT? Just like the fact you are going to die, just like the fact i'm mashing my keyboard with my fingers as a write this a not my toes - FACT), the earth is much older. The earth is around 4.5 Billion years old. It's difficult to compute exactly as due to the nature of how it was formed. The oldest rocks found to date are 3.9 Billion years old.

The obvious question to follow is 'How exactly did we get here?'. A puzzling question indeed answered by Darwin in his famous book 'Of the Origins of the Spieces'. I won't go into detail for fear of sending you to sleep and wanting to get to my point, but he believed small genetic mutations which happen every generation of a specicies led to how we developed from small microbes in to full fledged humans. Far fetched? What's even more far fetched is the serious amount of evidence that backs this up (galapagos!).

2)Christianity also said that the Earth was the center of the universe.

That the sun revolved around the earth. So when some bloke from tuscani said otherwise, they were quite unpleased! Even after proving that the observation of the planets and the sun suggested that Galleo (yes i'm talking about Galileo here, re the guy from tuscani not Pope Leo I) was right, they had the audacity to turn around and go 'No no no wait you misunderstand us! It may _LOOK_ like the earth orbits the sun, and maths may dictate it, but it infact doesn't! They just appear that way!'. Yes because that's a helpful approach in a reasonable discussion.

We now know of course that earth isn't the center of the universe and that we do revolve around the sun.

So there's two examples for people to consider why i personally think religion has been wrong in the past. On two MASSIVE issues.

Now if i may move on. What i'd like to consider is what if religion had turned around and said:

 'You know what, were based on texts wrote thousand of years ago, when our understanding of the world was very different and people needed a different kind of reassurance. I think it's time we adapt a little more to society'.

I'd guess the next obvious question is what would you change?  I'm not sure, i'm no council of nicaea. I dare say the word religion itself would need a reclassifcation. What is it? If it's not just a story about god and his son, is religion morality? Is it just faith in something?

I've always admired some of the charitable teachings in Islam and Christianity. Yet i also detest how they've been the cause of so many wars and suffering in the past. Do we need religion to do amazing things for one another?

One thing is for sure though while we are unable to prove that God isn't going to smite us all for not wearing condoms, someone should not have the power to continue the spread of aids in one of the most desperate continents in the world by saying using them is indeed sinful.

Nor should preachers be able to convince people to attach bombs on to themselves in the hope of a paradise waiting for them on the other side.

I hope i've not genuinley offended someone with this, well so long as your not offended by just the notion of someone questioning your religion, in which case your ignorant and i'm glad i've offended you.


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on May 30, 2008

I think you misunderstood my point. It was that even if statistics for the earlier time periods did show lower teenage pregnancies, std rates, etc it would probably be more indicative of lower reporting, not necessarily lower actual instances.


That was exactly how we understood it, I think.

I was just wondering how the alleged "Christian" principle of honesty fits into a society where people do not report (i.e lie about) STDs and teen pregnancies.

Incidentally, not reporting these things is not in itself a lie. But USING that lack of numbers 40 years later and claim that it didn't happen as much makes it a lie.

Either way, today's world clearly shows that Christian fundamentalism is not the way to go.


SCHADENFREUDE MODE ON

New England is more moral than the Bible Belt!

New England is more moral than the Bible Belt!

New England is more moral than the Bible Belt!

SCHADENFREUDE MODE OFF


So, that needed to be said.

on May 31, 2008
That was fun! Thanks, SanChonino!


SCHADENFREUDE MODE ON

New England is more moral than the Bible Belt!

New England is more moral than the Bible Belt!

New England is more moral than the Bible Belt!

SCHADENFREUDE MODE OFF


You're welcome, Andrew. Glad I could get a chant out of you.
on May 31, 2008
Do you think Lula will come back and insist that all of the US need to be more like the states with high teen pregnancy rates?

on May 31, 2008
I'm glad you're all having fun with this. SanChonino's ability of finding and linking photos, charts, graphs, cartoons, etc. is impressive indeed. While interesting, they don't disprove my point for they don't compare what the rates were then to what they are now.

I've seen the bar graphs of all those things I cited and can assure you I am correct in saying they skyrocketed. The source was the US Dept. of Commerce,Bureau of Census, Historical Stats of the US and National Center for Health Stats.


To reiterate: my contention is that ever since 1963, God and morality, the Ten Commandments, celebrating Christmas, etc. has been kicked out of all government education and has been replaced with atheist/secular humanism and self centered principles of morality. We've been reaping the worldwind ever since. These pathologies I cited are signs of moral decay all around us in every state, some more than others. We've seen an empirically documented a rise in pathologies that indicates the social trajectory is toward the sewer not the stars. The victims are our children who the secular humanists say with pride have been liberated from their parent's traditional religious values and their "mythical" God who constructed them.

Comparing stats over time only tells us what changed over time. It doesn't tell us _why_ it changed.


This is true. However, after 45 years, we have the answer to the WHY it changed as it did...look around and you'll see evidence of what taking God out of education has done for our children, families, and the greater society. Society for the most part is in shambles. The reason can only be that man has replaced God's moral code with his own.

Proof of this is society itself...now littered with rape, incest, child abuse, sexual disorientation, suicides, broken homes, divorce, minds and bodies destroyed by drug abuse and venereal diseases.



on May 31, 2008
look around and you'll see evidence of what taking God out of education has done for our children, families, and the greater society. Society for the most part is in shambles.


Look at the evidence I've presented. It unequivocally proves that, in the areas where 'God' is still IN education, where they focus on foolish things like abstinence-only sexual education, where they insist and reiterate that they are FOLLOWING God's commandments . . .

Their daughters are poppin' out the babies.

However, in those horribly secular, evil areas in the country . . .

Their daughters are (wisely) using the pill, saving all those children being born out of wedlock, in bad economic situations to children who aren't ready to be thrust into the role of parenthood.

Three times as many children are being born to teenage mothers in the Bible Belt as in 'Godless' New England.

I've seen the bar graphs of all those things I cited and can assure you I am correct in saying they skyrocketed. The source was the US Dept. of Commerce,Bureau of Census, Historical Stats of the US and National Center for Health Stats.


Share please? I'm calling your bluff until you can prove it.

Show me these graphs. Learn to use Google already.

Prove your assertions to not be baseless. I have.
on May 31, 2008

This is true. However, after 45 years, we have the answer to the WHY it changed as it did...look around and you'll see evidence of what taking God out of education has done for our children, families, and the greater society. Society for the most part is in shambles. The reason can only be that man has replaced God's moral code with his own.


So how do you explain that society is in shambles in the Bible Belt but not so much in secular New-England?

And how do you know that society wasn't in shambles in the 1950s, when people didn't report STDs and teen pregnancies?

Don't tell us that IF the Bible Belt were more moral than New-England you wouldn't take that as "proof" that "Christianity" is the way to go!

After 45 years, we don't have that answer. We only know that the religious parts of the US are doing worse than the secular parts.

Incidentally, did you notice that since the 1960s society has become less racist? Maybe taking G-d out of schools has caused that change.

on May 31, 2008
Why is the Bible Belt more immoral than New England?
on May 31, 2008
I've seen the bar graphs of all those things I cited and can assure you I am correct in saying they skyrocketed. The source was the US Dept. of Commerce,Bureau of Census, Historical Stats of the US and National Center for Health Stats.


I'm calling your bluff until you can prove it.


No bluff...you're the kind of person who is like the horse you take to water but can't make drink.

I'm a dinosaur with the computer and don't know how to scan and link things...yet...someday, maybe I'll learn. If it hadn't been for your help, I'd still be without an avatar.
on Jun 01, 2008

I'm a dinosaur with the computer and don't know how to scan and link things


Incidentally, since we know that people didn't report these things in earlier times, we KNOW that the graphs have skyrocketed and have an explanation for why they did. You owe us the evidence that they skyrocketed due to a lack of "Christian" values, in spite of current evidence that "Christian" values and immorality go hand in hand when comparing US states.

Perhaps the graphs have skyrocketed because the "Christian" value of honesty has finally kicked in and people started reporting STDs and teen pregnancies instead of covering them up?
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